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« on: April 22, 2010, 04:09:14 AM »

Hello, I am running (with no issues) an MT-32 on an XP setup, using generic MIDI-USB cables. The driver for that setup is VDM.  I am currently setting up another machine that is running WIN7 Ultimate 32 bit. I have these 2 machines side by side. Using the SAME cables, I CANNOT get the WIN7 machine to recognize the MT-32. I have tried installing (then deleting) several different MIDI drivers with no success. Some advertise they are somewhat generic, and some appear to be quite proprietary, but no matter, as I can't get ANY to work. 

I have tried drivers from Creative Technologies, Turtle Beach, Korg, etc, etc.  It KILLS me that I can unplug that MIDI-USB from the one working machine (While SQ3 is proudly belting out), the plug that cable into the machine 18"away and...... nothing.

I am running all Sierra games through Dosbox via D-Fend Reloaded.  (Latest update there too) 

Any ideas?
Thanks in advance!
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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2010, 06:14:22 AM »

Odd...

AFAIK, You don't need a driver for the MT-32, only need for the USB MIDI cable (and even that's kind of weird, as these cables usually get detected automatically without requiring a special driver). Is the cable Win7 compatible?
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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2010, 11:14:42 AM »

It could be many things, but it looks like you'll have to buy another cable. You say to have tried many cables. What are those?

I would try the usual PC troubleshooting stuff. MT32 hooked up to the sound card's line-in? No muted volume sources? Sound card set up to listen to line-input? Can you see MIDI MESSAGE light on the MT32 blinking when you play a midi file?

Look for a thread were I explain how to make DOSBox list the midi devices it recognizes from your computer system. If you can't see your cable listed then get another one.
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2010, 11:17:55 PM »

Thanks for the replies fellas.  First mistake.... I thought that a MIDI-USB cable, was a MIDI-USB cable, was a MIDI-USB cable. (At least that has always been my experience in the past, as the only thing I use the MT-32 is for playing old games.)   In light of that, I just went to Frye's and got an M-audio cable/driver disk that says it is compatible with WIN Vista.  Doesn't say WIN7, but the very helpful 12 year old that was helping me assured me that if it was WIN Vista compatible, then it must CERTAINLY be WIN7 compatible.   And...... since that was the only brand they had available, I decided to give it a go.   

The install went well. MIDI driver installed nicely, and the first time I plugged the cable in, the little recognition box popped up, telling me my device was recognized and all was well.  No such luck getting the MT-32 to respond.  I have never had to have it hooked into the sound card to make it work before. That is, I can tell it's receiving the signals by what is happening on the display. (Insert Buckazoid, etc)  In this case.... nothing.

I have double and triple checked the connects. I simply unplugged the existing old cord plug from the back of the MT-32 and replaced it with the new one.   I will now go back to JHarris' post about cable compatibility and try that. I'll have to hurry, because my wife will be home soon.  Today is our 33rd anniversary, and when she gets home, that will be the end of my computer tinkering. (At least, if I want to make it to 34!)  Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2010, 07:29:01 PM »

Maybe you got the midi plugs crossed? MIDI OUT plug goes into MT-32 MIDI IN.
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« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2010, 11:51:15 PM »

Success.   Kinda.   I successfully installed the driver for my new M-Audio cable, and the system picked it up.  Still no signal to/from MT-32 though.  So I followed JHarris's instructions about identifying my MIDI device through Dosbox, and found that my MT-32 is noted as #1. Then I tried to alter the Dosbox conf file for the game via the DFend Reloaded (DFR) front end. It only provides a viewer for the conf file, and I couldn't find any way to change it in DFR.  So I Dl'ed a simple text editor and went looking for the SQ3 conf file.

I looked in every single dir in DFR and Dosbox, and what I found was a dir within DFR called CONFS.  Upon getting into it, I was SURE that was going to be it, as it had conf files for only 2 games; SQ# and Freddy Pharkas. (The only 2 games I have installed at this point)  So...... in I go.

THIS SQ3 conf file is HUGE!  It has to be at least twice as long as the one I had just viewed in Dosbox.  It was also different in places.  For example, the Dosbox conf file had the lines config= (as vs midiconfig= that had been in the viewer) and device=default (vs mididevice=default).  That could be though, because they were listed under the [midi] heading in the config, so it was just ASSUMED that those lines were for midi.  Probably so.  At any rate, I typed in the #1, as JHarris had said.  Then I went to the viewer, and it said midiconfig=1 midiconfig=1.   sigh. (still no sound)

I went back into the DFR SQ3 profile, and clicked on the midi option. Under TYPE, the option "intelligent" was listed.
Under MIDI DEVICE, the option "default" was listed.   Below those, ADDITIONAL SETTINGS, with an open line under it. Taking a shot, I entered the number "1" in that open line and saved.   THAT did the trick, and the music dam burst.  (I had to do the same with the Freddy Pharkas config, before IT would work.) Apparently, I'll have to do that for each of the games I will install on it.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm happy the thing finally is working, and I can go back to wasting my time in more productive ways.  Smiley   BUT.... as these computers and their operating systems become more advanced, aren't they supposed to make things EASIER and QUICKER for heavens sake?   I've set up 7 different machines with my MT-32 over the years, and although I've had hiccups before, I haven't had to go identify and alter conf files, AFTER determining what ID# my MT-32 had.  For Pete's sake, I never even knew it HAD an ID #. (Thanks again JHarris!) 

What did I learn?
1- No 2 midi cable are alike. 
2- Never assume that when you plug any old midi cable into your brand new, 4 on the floor, space age, streamlined, do everything but the dishes machine, that it will simply recognize it and know what to do with it.
3- How to use Dosbox to ID my MT-32, and make the appropriate notation in the game settings within DFR.

Lastly, I'm still not convinced I was in "THE" SQ3 config file.   It seems like I would have HAD to be, but if not there... where?

Mike
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2010, 06:47:50 AM »

Wait, you only tried using the MT-32 in DOSBox? What about Windows MIDI playing programs (such as vanBasco, which allows you to choose your MIDI device in it's setup)?

Also, I don't know if Win7 has the same sounds and audio devices configuration options as WinXP has in it's Control Panel, but in XP at least, you can set your default MIDI playback device to whatever you like, and that should allow you to choose the USB MIDI cable as your default device, so that DOSbox uses it by default as well.

Again, I don't know how it is in Win7, but in XP it's pretty simple.
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2010, 10:19:34 AM »

In windows 7 (and vista), unlike XP, its not possible without some 'trick' to select your midi device anymore.
What I always use is Putzlowitch's Vista MIDI mapper which works very well on Windows 7 also.
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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2010, 11:06:33 AM »

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I went back into the DFR SQ3 profile, and clicked on the midi option. Under TYPE, the option "intelligent" was listed.
Under MIDI DEVICE, the option "default" was listed.   Below those, ADDITIONAL SETTINGS, with an open line under it. Taking a shot, I entered the number "1" in that open line and saved.   THAT did the trick, and the music dam burst.  (I had to do the same with the Freddy Pharkas config, before IT would work.) Apparently, I'll have to do that for each of the games I will install on it.

If you use a midi picker tool like the one Salient suggested you won't have to.

There are many ways to deal with this issue in D-Fend. You can go manual like you did. You can right click on a game entry you already have and choose "copy". D-Fend will will create a new profile with the settings from the old one. Finally you can make it permanent by invoking the Default Templates window (hit F4 or "Extras-->Templates..."). Whatever changes you make there will affect future game entries you add to D-Fend.
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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2010, 03:16:53 PM »

Wait, you only tried using the MT-32 in DOSBox? What about Windows MIDI playing programs (such as vanBasco, which allows you to choose your MIDI device in it's setup)?

I only use the MT-32 for games.  I never thought about looking at options such as you mentioned for MIDI setup. (Lame, I know)

In windows 7 (and vista), unlike XP, its not possible without some 'trick' to select your midi device anymore.
What I always use is Putzlowitch's Vista MIDI mapper which works very well on Windows 7 also.


I very quickly took your advice and installed. Works great!  Thanks!

Thank you JHarries, Ari and Salient
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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2010, 05:58:48 PM »

No problem!

Enjoy the music! Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2010, 07:15:47 PM »

No problem!

Enjoy the music! Smiley
And the screen messages Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2010, 04:29:40 AM »

Right, that too... Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2010, 09:16:13 PM »

One note about newer machines making things easier, this is only true when newer hardware is concerned. In fact, newer machines actually make legacy hardware harder to deal with as time goes on. The abolishment of true DOS, simple DOS emulation, MIDI device customisation, etc.
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